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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:18:59 -0700

First, it was my understanding that they had the food before they
refused to pay.  I often have the goods in my possession before I settle
the paycheck.

Second, 'not being paid for a little food' is an awfully big deal in
India.  It isn't far from stealing the only food my children have so
I'll have to watch them starve.  The margin of survival is very, very,
thin.

So yes.  In my particular reality distortion field 'not paying for a
little food' in India is akin to a direct act of violence intended to
cause suffering if not death on the victims family.  That such an act
triggers a violent response is, IMHO, hardly surprising.

In other words, as far as I could tell the people on the train fired the
first shot.

With all of that said I still don't know if this happened or not.  Nor
do I know for sure that the margin of survival for those Muslim vendors
was that thin.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen D. Williams [mailto:swilliams@hpti.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:54 AM
> To: johnhall@evergo.net
> Cc: fork@spamassassin.taint.org; lea@lig.net
> Subject: Re: Slaughter in the Name of God
> 
> Wow!  It seems you are evaluating this with a large reality distortion
> field.
> 
> If the activists on the train refused to pay for food, then the
vendors
> shouldn't give it to them.  And the local police force should be
> arresting them.  Etc.
> 
> You have to be operating from a particularly primitive point of view,
> which obviously was in operation with the participants here, to think
> that religious differences or not being paid for a little food (or
> taunting!) was even a remote justification for burning a train full of
> people alive.
> 
> sdw
> 
> John Hall wrote:
> > What I understood was that the activists on the train refused to pay
for
> > the food and other items they acquired from the Muslim vendors --
then
> > taunted them.
> >
> > That may not be true, but it would put things in a more interesting
> > light.  Taking food from a small vendor in India and not paying them
is
> > trying to starve them.
> >
> > It sounded consistent with the ideas and purpose of the train full
of
> > activists.
> >
> > I'm rarely an apologist for Muslims anywhere.  Yet I find my
sympathies
> > with the Muslims in this case, even after they burned the train.
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
> >>Stephen D. Williams
> >
> >
> >>The pity of it is that some
> >>Muslims were ready to give it to them. Their murderous attack on the
> >>train-load of VHP activists at Godhra (with its awful, atavistic
> >
> > echoes
> >
> >>of the killings of Hindus and Muslims by the train-load during the
> >>partition riots of 1947) played right into the Hindu extremists'
> >
> > hands.
> 
> sdw
> --
> swilliams@hpti.com http://www.hpti.com
> Stephen D. Williams, Senior Technical Director
> 
>