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Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why?
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On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote:

> Dan Kohn <dan@dankohn.com> writes:
> 
> > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself
> > on your installation.  If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to
> > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all
> > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will
> > quickly remove us from the next release.  But, you're trying to kill
> > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise.
> 
> I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a
> score.  I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle
> for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base.

I have to agree here.  If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not
support it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is
nobody's problem but Habeas's.

A possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of
incentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt.  I have yet
to think of an incentive that fits the bill ...

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote:

> I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's
> points.
> 
>   - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is
>     assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the
>     Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :(   IMO we have to fix