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I finally let go of my Irix Magic desktop and window manager
and evaluated several other window managers. Having lost my 10 years
of customization with my X10 and then X11 desktop at one point
at UCI, I promised myself that I'd never get attached to
another WM.  I limped along in the default Gnome desktop, I
had a few unsuccessful stabs at the Solaris open view 
desktop, but nothing really stuck.   Because of this along
with SGI's love of pre-configured, pre-compiled freeware[1],
I never really made the jump from Irix to Linux either.  

After installing the enlightenment WM, I have to say, I am
really enlightened.  It's definitely a far cry from the no frills
first look from previous versions.  It's only on version 0.17,[2]
but it's a careful balance between simplicity, performance,
(fun) features, applications, and ease of customization.  The
number of themes they have on freshmeat is amazing. [3] After
less than an hour or two of "nesting" I already have almost
all my menus and controls setup just the way I want. 

I definitely recommend this to any Irix desktop holdouts.  It's
a great way to refresh your machine SGI without having to bite the
bullet and rebuild it as a Linux machine. 

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[2] http://www.enlightenment.org/
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the fourth quarter. Qualification units of the MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus 
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Stephen D. Williams wrote:

> It's efficient-end, not low end.  At 1Million hour MTBF, 133MB/sec,
> and pretty good buffering and speed, the only thing going for SCSI is
> 15,000 RPM vs. 7200 and in a very small number of cases, slightly
> better scatter-gather.  (Actually, I think there might be a 15,000 RPM
> IDE now.)

It's not just krpm, the desktop HDs have a higher failure rate. But I
agree, EIDE has high density, and EIDE hardware RAID can offer SCSI a
sound beating for reliability, performance, and storage density/rack units
for the money, if designed for it, and if people would actually start 
buying it.

> The other issues are pretty much non-issues: using multiple drives and
> controller contention (just use many IDE channels with extra PCI
> cards, up to 10 in some systems), and long cable runs (just split

There are not all that many hard drives inside an 1U enclosure. Airflow

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I'd like to claim the parenthood of desktop web services,
but then there's a ton of people doing it now.  

What I am the parent of is, Jackson Alan Bolcer--I just
realized that the birth announcement was something that
didn't get sent through due to my general laziness of
being kicked off of FoRK from our stupid DNS fiasco
mixed with the post filtering.   August 20th, 7lbs, 14oz,
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 Endeavors Technology and RSA Security Form Strategic Partnership to 
 Enhance SSL Performance in Secure, Enterprise-Scalable P2P Computing

Endeavors Technology and RSA Security combine their respective peer-to-peer Magi Enterprise 
Web collaboration and RSA BSAFE® software for SSL users to instantly extend security and improve performance
of 
desktop and corporate data sharing, and Web interaction between workgroups inside and across corporations.

Irvine (CA) and Cambridge (UK), September 12, 2002 - Secure web collaboration software leader Endeavors
Technology, Inc. today
announced a technology sharing and marketing agreement with RSA Security Inc. the most trusted name in
e-security.® This strategic
partnership is aimed at extending the security and improving the performance of the standard SSL security
protocol used by every e-based
desktop, laptop and server. 

Under the terms of the agreement, RSA Security's trusted security tools are embedded into Endeavors
Technology's award-winning Magi
Enterprise software product. The combined solution enables IT managers and users to simply extend security and
encryption to every
Magi-enabled device for the direct device-to-device sharing and interaction of corporate data and workflow
between workgroups within and
beyond the enterprise.

Secure collaboration between desktops and corporate systems calls for enterprises to build complex and costly
network infrastructures. This
combination of technologies from the two companies eliminates both overheads, and also the need for specific
security tools for each desktop
application such as Microsoft Project. With Magi's secure RSA Security-based peer environment, collaboration
can now be rapidly, easily and
securely extended across all devices and company firewalls, and workgroups can interact with colleagues,
partners and clients without concern
in compromising corporate information. This brings true Internet scaling to corporations needing to interact
highly securely with strong
encryption and authentication across firewalls.

"In these challenging times, there can be no compromise in safeguarding corporate data and knowledge," says
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  copies of constantly changing documents.

  Inter-meeting collaboration needs an asynchronous medium, independent of
  time. In asynchronous mode, a team member can access, read and edit
  information relevant to the meeting group at his/her convenience rather than
  having to fit into the schedules and timeframes of others. A secured
  environment available only to members of a meeting or project is also
  essential.

  Endeavors' Magi technology converts the Web into a secure platform for
  sharing information directly from people's desktops. WebEx meetings can be
  recorded and reviewed at any time, documents shared in the meeting can be
  actioned in real-time or at a later date, calendars and project schedules
  can be updated at any time, and new individuals added to the workgroup at
  will . all in a secure environment with people working across the globe,
  inside or outside company firewalls.

  Magi peer collaboration securely delivers significant benefits to Web
  meeting participants. Not only can they share and access information at
  will, but they can also know which other participants are online or
  "present." This enables them to chat and message each other, search across

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  WebEx platform supports real-time data, voice and video communications.
  WebEx is the only company to design, develop and deploy a global network for
  real-time Web communications.

  Magi
  On and off-line (asynchronous) communication and collaboration: cross
  enterprise search and discovery, transparent security and trust (SSL & PKI),
  2-way web access to files and applications, permanent cross firewall access,
  ad hoc and permanent secure groups, centralized or decentralized control of
  access lists and security privileges, centralized caching of information
  (never lose anything critical), multi-device access to information (desktop,
  laptop, PDA).

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talking to a robot, and the queries anneal to short, truncated and
terse database-like verb-noun or just noun-keyword requests.  

People are just too quick to adapt, and too impatient to forgive a
clunky interface, and for now, especially when the /average/ computer
user still can't type more than maybe 5-10wpm, NL is a painfully slow
clunky interface.

Put it this way: Would you login, wake the bot and ask for the Seattle
weather, or would you do as we /all/ do and just click the weather
icon sitting there on your desktop?

Just for fun, here's an interesting conversation between Shallow Red,
ALICE and Eliza as they decide to play the Turing Game:

http://www.botspot.com/best/12-09-97.htm

-- 
Gary Lawrence Murphy - garym@teledyn.com - TeleDynamics Communications
 - blog: http://www.auracom.com/~teledyn - biz: http://teledyn.com/ -
  "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (Picasso)

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>
> People are just too quick to adapt, and too impatient to forgive a
> clunky interface, and for now, especially when the /average/ computer
> user still can't type more than maybe 5-10wpm, NL is a painfully slow
> clunky interface.
Yes - true true.

>
> Put it this way: Would you login, wake the bot and ask for the Seattle
> weather, or would you do as we /all/ do and just click the weather
> icon sitting there on your desktop?
What about a situation where you don't directly ask/talk to the bot, but
they listen in and advise/correct/interject/etc?
example: two people discussing trips, etc. may trigger a weather bot to
mention what the forecast says - without directly being asked.

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Some cool things about the new house...its a 1912 job so no metal works
inthe walls to speak of , mostly wood and plaster. We dont have a
microwave and our cordless phines are on 900mhz (yea so I can use my bear
cat to listen in on some calls, with kids in the house is that such a bad
thing? Ben or heather, if you read this years from now...well by then I
hope youare better at countermoeasures:)- )

Ok, enough testing for tonight. I gota say, being able to do this in bed
by vncing via wifi to my desktop is a blast...oh no...wifes pillow is
heading this way....DUCKKKKK


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the private sector.

His full transcript is here [1].  Interestingly enough I
got to see his speech in person as he was part of the whole
CTIA'2001 Las Vegas keynote series of speakers.  Clay and
I hoped a flight out of Ontario to Las Vegas to do demo support
for Craig Barrett [2].  His message was that there's no difference
between wired and wireless Internet--it's all the same thing.
Instead of scalable networks, we should be thinking about scalable
content (& using Magi he showed sending a blue man tv commercial
from a desktop to a laptop to an ipaq to a color smartphone with
the content scaling back for each target platform).

The best part of the whole trip wasn't hobnobbing at all,
but really the fact that the Venetian had ran out of rooms.
They decided to put us up in one of their $10,000/night high
roller rooms.  They put Clay in one and me in another.
The Venetian is known for having the largest hotel rooms
anywhere, but these ones were bigger than my whole house. 8-)

Greg

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> to date?

I don't use custom sequences, so I can't comment well.  I suspect that
you'd have to use a cron job to maintain the sequences.

>> The only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME.

> You're probably running exmh on a local machine.  I'm running it on a
> very remote machine.  In this scenario, the mime handling is weak.

Nope.  I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting
exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis
SSH X11 forwarding).  In fact, your message was read and replied to
(this message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
machine.

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> > You're probably running exmh on a local machine.  I'm running it on a
> > very remote machine.  In this scenario, the mime handling is weak.
> 
> Nope.  I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting
> exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis
> SSH X11 forwarding).

I run exmh routinely from home (broadband) using an XWindows Client tunneled through ssh under <ahem> WinXP.  It works very well in this fashion.

FWIW, I use Eudora under Winder$ because it's less of a virus magnet.  :)

There's more to the story why I run Winder$, but that's really off-topic and I'm already guilty!

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:27:12 PDT, J C Lawrence writes:
>I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting
>exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis
>SSH X11 forwarding).  In fact, your message was read and replied to
>(this message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
>machine.

So you have 4 copies (1+1 per desktop) of exmh running?

That's what I usually do, but what I'd really like would be some 
 automagism to tell them "Flist", "Rescan Folder", which I now do 
 manually whenever I'm going to work at the "other" machine.

cheers,
&rw
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:24:46 +0200 
Robert Waldner <waldner@waldner.priv.at> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:27:12 PDT, J C Lawrence writes:

>> I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting exmh
>> windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis SSH
>> X11 forwarding).  In fact, your message was read and replied to (this
>> message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
>> machine.

> So you have 4 copies (1+1 per desktop) of exmh running?

Yes.

One of the nicer aspects of exmh's colour handling is that while I have
the default background for the message pane set to black, the second
insance of exmh displaying to a given $DISPLAY will set the background
of the message pane to darkslategray.  Very nice as it provides an
instant visual cue as to which is which.  (No: I've not checked where it
gets that colour selection from).

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>> I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting exmh
>> windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis SSH
>> X11 forwarding).  In fact, your message was read and replied to (this
>> message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
>> machine.

Just to throw in another approach to solving the same problem. 

I run two copies of exmh, one at work, one at home.  They both
display on a "virtual X server" created by vncserver on the home
box.  I connect to that virtual X server using vncviewer wherever
I happen to be.  The VNC connection is tunneled over ssh and is

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>>>>> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, "Paul" == Paul Menage wrote:

  Paul> so you don't really need the unseen window unless you're
  Paul> using more sequences than just "unseen".

I use a virtual window manager and keep the main exmh window and 
the detached folder list on one virtual desktop but the unseen 
window is set to show on all desktops.

Got no help for the problems, but just pointing out why some of 
us find the unseen window invaluable.


--Hal

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In article <E17tS0T-0001zD-00@rds059> you write:
>>>> Patrick Salsbury writes:
>
>  Patrick> One of the features I really like about exmh is the
>  Patrick> ability to see which folders have unseen messages in
>  Patrick> them, but recently, it seems to have vanished into the
>  Patrick> bowels of my window manager in a place I can't get
>  Patrick> to. It claims to be running, but doesn't appear
>  Patrick> anywhere onscreen. (I'm using Enlightenment with a 2x2
>  Patrick> virtual desktop. I've tried dropping it to only 1
>  Patrick> screen. No help.)
>  Patrick>
>
>This may not help/work but I've discovered recently that
>Alt-middle-mouse pops up a list of all of my windows.  If I leave
>my mouse on the background, it lists Alt-middle-mouse as "Display
>Task List Menu".
>
>HTH,
>

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>>
>
>How about enabling the "Show unseen message count in folder cache"
>option? It displays the number of unseen messages next to each folder name
>(if greater than 0), so you don't really need the unseen window unless
>you're using more sequences than just "unseen".
>
>Paul
>
	As Hal noted, I like to have the unseen window visible in all
virtual desktops, even if the main window is minimized. However, I looked
through ALL the preferences menus, and didn't see anything resembling "Show
unseen message count in folder cache". Where is that? And in what version?
(I'm running v2.4 - 06/23/2000 - Creaky, I know.)

	I went into twm with no virtual desktops, and it came up just fine.
Going back to Enlightenment I saw the same behavior as before. Then I knew
it MUST be something in the window manager, so I went digging. in my 
~/.englightenment/...e_session-XXXXXX.snapshots.0 file I found all the
settings that E. uses for remembering border styles, positions, shaded
state, etc. 
	I have a 1600x1200 screen, and it kept putting my window at
1655x150 (AND had it shaded to boot, so it was tiny as well as offscreen!)
	Searching for 'unseen' in that file found this section:

NEW: exmh.Exmh

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I apologize for not catching up to the current code in so long.

Now that I have I'm trying to resolve "breakage" and differences.

The unseen window seems to have been replaced with the sequences 
window.  While I appreciate the flexibility of the sequences 
window, the unseen window filled an important-to-me need:  It 
was tiny and could be set to show on all desktops of a virtual 
window manager without taking a lot of space.  Since my normal 
mode of operation involves two copies of exmh displaying on a 
1024x768 vnc session, screen space is at a premium.

As things stand now, I have a sequences window that shows a lot
more information than I need to have handy and takes up a lot 
more room than I can "spare".

I can see that I could like the new sequences window a lot for 
certain operations.  But I'd like a nice uncluttered, tiny

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> already quite a few freshrpms.net packages ready!
>
> Mirror list for download (they're not open yet) :
> http://freshrpms.net/mirrors/psyche.html
>
> New freshrpms.net package list :
> http://psyche.freshrpms.net/
>
> Of course, apt is also available (now version 0.5.4!) and fully 
> tested. If
> you like apt for your desktop machines, I also recommend checking out 
> the
> new "synaptic" package as it has now been ported to gtk+ and blends
> perfectly into the distribution!
>
> I'll probably post to the list once I open up ftp.freshrpms.net so you 
> can
> be the first ones to get in and download, although I doubt you'll have
> trouble finding access to at least one fast mirror using my mirror 
> list.
>

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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 08:03:42 -0000
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URL: http://boingboing.net/#85486452
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Gregor sez: 

    ENRON Corp material assets go on the block 7 AM CT TOMORROW, Wednesday, 
    9/25. First on the list is the giant, steel, Enron "E" (Lot "E"), followed 
    by tons of cool tech. 50 inch plasma panels, desktop LC Displays, boxes of 
    Palm PDAs or Nokia cell phones, network stuff, wireless stuff, desktop 
    computers, servers, monitors, printers, plotters, in both massive lots, and 
    individually! Oh yeah, Enron trade-show trinkets too, by the cartload. 

    The catch: You have to either go to Texas to pick up the stuff, or arrange 
    with an approved 3rd party vendor (list provided on the web site) to have 
    it picked, packed and shipped for you. 

    Go! Register! Bid! Consume!  

Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Gregor!_)

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URL: http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt/#85395270
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I feel so tremendously validated right now in all my criticisms of Netscape vs. 
Mozilla. I told Netscape management that if the Netscape beta shipped without 
popup blocking that CNet would write an article on it. They didn't believe me 
(or didn't care). Sure enough, the article appeared right on time[1].

I blogged about two main annoyances when installing Netscape 7: the lack of 
popup blocking and all of the annoying advertising spam on the desktop and in 
the toolbars. I warned Netscape that they needed to take steps to correct this 
problem. They didn't listen. Take a look at the CNet review[2] highlight that 
describes *The Bad* part of Netscape 7.0:

_Displays AOL ads everywhere; doesn't let you turn off pop-up windows like 
Mozilla does; devours 30MB of disk space._

Plenty of other engineers at Netscape (as well as managers) complained about 
these problems and fought with those higher up to correct these problems. We 
lost every battle. The simple truth is that the people in charge of running the

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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:02:44 -0000
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URL: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000214.html
Date: 2002-10-02T16:04:06-08:00

Java has been successful everywhere but the desktop. Or at least that's what 
people here. It's big on the server and that downs out the desktop news. What 
else went wrong? Applets. Microsoft's battle with Java. For the longest 
time,...

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Anil Dash discovers that the T-Mobile Sidekick's web-browser is pretty 
arbitrary in which pages it will load and which pages it will throw up its 
hands at: 

    So I decided I was going to modify my page to conform to your browser's 
    idiocy. I went looking for technical docs on what you do to mangle web 
    pages. None. I went looking for a desktop emulator that I could run to 
    simulate your device on my computer. None. I went looking to see an 
    acknowledgement of the shortcomings of your device, indicating that the 
    situation would be improved. None.  

Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Joe[3]!_)

[1] http://www.dashes.com/anil/index.php?archives/003378.php
[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/gQqkijtv3NhWZ
[3] http://joeclark.org/access/

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SixDegress is a $99 OS X app that data-mines your own hard-drive and tries to 
build links between people, files and folders. Laura Carpenter at the OS X con 
was talking it up yesterday and it looks way cool -- I've just downloaded the 
demo to play with. 

    * Locate files with similar names or file revisions, anywhere on your 
    system.

    * Show all email threads related to any file or person on your desktop.

    * View all the files a person has sent you, regardless of where those files 
    are stored on your computer.

    * Create dynamic, self-updating projects.

    * Find misfiles or attachments quickly without searching desktop folders.

    * Navigate and open any message, file or person on your desktop in one 
    click.  

Link[1] Discuss[2] (_Thanks, Laura!_)

[1] http://www.creo.com/sixdegrees/
[2] http://www.quicktopic.com/boing/H/VRMgpHLfGxpZ

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ways encouraged. 

*Tools:*
1 PowerBook G4 with slot-loading DVD drive (any model should work)
1 Monsters, Inc. Collector's Edition DVD (any DVD should work)
1 copy of Mac OS X 10.2 "Jaguar" 

*Process:*
1. Insert DVD into drive. Notice how Jaguar helpfully loads the DVD Player for 
you.
2. Open the DVD (it appears on the desktop) and drag the VIDEO_TS folder to 
your hard drive. Ejct the DVD.
3. In DVD Player, select "Open VIDEO_TS Folder..." from the File menu. Use the 
dialog that appears to select the VIDEO_TS folder on your hard drive. 

Now the DVD plays just like it would were the DVD in the drive. By extension, I 
could also put the DVD up on my site for you to download and watch. I could 
share it via a P2P network. And I haven't done anything to decrypt the DVD or 
violate the DMCA: I've used only basic tools available to all normal computer 
users on my (I assume) fully-licensed consumer laptop.

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URL: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/10/07.html#my_good_easy
Date: 2002-10-07T17:59:05-05:00

_Joe Gregorio_: My next pet project[1]. &#8220;Trying to re-create the "Good 
Easy[2]" on a Windows machine.&#8221; I have also made half-hearted attempts in 
this direction, as I am forced to use Windows during the day. I say 
half-hearted because I'm still application-centric, and I don't go as far with 
keyboard shortcuts as I could. But I don't use the desktop at all (never have, 
on any system), and I don't use ctrl alt keyboard shortcuts because I 
personally find them awkward (YMMV). If you must use Windows, the first step 
towards a productive system is managing your Start menu. 

I use the main level of the Start menu with numbered shortcuts to my most 
common programs. "0 Control Panel[3]", "1 Mozilla[4]", "2 Emacs[5]", "3 DOS 
home", "4 DOS work", "5 DOS incoming" (each of which gives me a command line, 
but in different directories), "7 Python[6]", "9 IE". Also "# Explorer home", 
"$ Explorer work", "% Explorer incoming", which open Explorer windows in 
various useful directories (the same directories as the DOS shortcuts, only

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